Attending:  Chris, Elena, Gareth, Jens (c+m), Jeremy, John B, John H, Steve,
	Adam, Sam, Brian, Raja, Raul.

Apologies: Wahid


0. Operational blog issue posts

Chris has done something interesting! Hooray! (Not implying that Chris
doesn't normally do interesting things but rather suggesting less
evidence of interesting things from others...)

How visible are the blog posts?  Of course you would get more readers
with good quality content, and if they know where to find it.  Page
views tend to be both aggregators and on the blog home page.

Blog items tend to drop off the front page; the planet aggregator
keeps them around but we are being outblogged by our friends at the
SSI.

1. Summary of feedback from last week's poll - only three responses
received so far.  Others will be responding - see chat.

Generally format is considered OK; also OK to run over provided the
discussion is interesting and useful.  Suggestion to have more
technical discussions or presentations of technical topics.

2. Updates on ongoing stuff or potentially interesting stuff:

- WebFTS testing - still waiting for the RAL instance.  The idea
  was that it could replace or supplement GO as a friendly user
  interface tool.  With FTS people show up in dashboard by DN which
  may not be appropriate.

- Updating storage documentation (the wiki) and testing it
  Jens had been working on his keydoc; maybe we should identify 
  other relevant storage area docs and identify the "volunteers"
  to bring them up to date.  Age of documentation in general was discussed
  at the PMB last Monday, with Steve Lloyd and Tom being actioned to ponder
  the question.

- Upgrading DPM 1.8.7s?
  What is the baseline?  The recommended version of the minimum version?
  If the latter, then there should be a maximum version as well, as in
  some cases later versions aren't necessarily better versions, or some
  versions may bring in more radical changes.

  Two 1.8.7s need upgrading, Manchester and Sheffield.  Elena has upgraded
  all pool nodes but is expecting to replace the head node so will be
  upgrading it then.

- GLUE 2.0 for storage revisited?

  We're supposed to be publishing GLUE 2 since - well, a long time, and
  it might be worth revisiting

  What happened to the accounting records?  Jens will investigate.

- IPv6

  IPv6 is on the agenda for the GridPP meeeting: is there sufficient
  input?  Pete Clarke requested input.

  Speaking of the agenda, we are suggesting that if experiments have their
  own sessions - like one for CMS, ATLAS, LHCb etc., that we ask them
  to feed back on the storage and data management as well: after all,
  it's from the horse's mouth.  Coming from the experiments, feedback
  on storage will carry more weight than if we stood up and said what
  we thought.

- WebDAV

3. On a slightly not-only-storage related topic I could say a few words
about the future of providing host certificates

Jens outlined the proposal for JANET eventually taking over the role
of issuing certificates for the UK in general and GridPP in particular.
STFC and JANET are working together on this and will ensure that grid
certificates can continue also with the new service.

4. August - a great time to do some Real Work(tm): could we usefully do
something Interesting®, perhaps in collaboration.

There was a suggestion whether some interesting thing could be done
in August as it is supposed to be a traditionally quiet period: Chris
requested a synchronisation tool which would iterate over a catalogue.
Sam suggests that a version may be appear in DIRAC.

Given the feedback on the meeting contents, we also asked if anyone
would be interested and willing and able to give a technical talk.

5. AOB

Brian asked if there were any problems with VOMS certificate (or
what they are called these days, metadata files) upgrade.  Steve
has a doc which he (Steve) will update.


Jens: (30/07/2014 10:03:53)
http://gridpp-storage.blogspot.com/2014/07/ipv6-and-xrootd-4.html
Christopher John Walker: (10:12 AM)
I've filled it in now.
Feedback is much the same as everybody else
Elena Korolkova: (10:21 AM)
is there a link to the survey?
Jens: (10:21 AM)
It's like the old joke: "it said install Windows 95 or better so I installed Linux"
Survey here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1NNg4mjb7pscWernLkJ5UNVTVmeA7AI7C-i-FjvhFcO0/edit
Jeremy Coles: (10:25 AM)
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LCG/WLCGBaselineVersions
https://indico.cern.ch/event/321806//
Jens: (10:38 AM)
https://indico.cern.ch/event/321806//
Govind : (10:44 AM)
how about host certificates