Present:
	Oxford: Ewan, Pete
	RAL PP/T1: Chris B, Brian, Jens, James
	Glasgow: Gareth Roy, David, Sam
	Edinburgh: Wahid
	Liverpool: Mark
	QMUL: Chris W
	Lancaster: Matt
	IC: Duncan
	Manchester: Alessandra
	Sheffield: Elena


> We should also start Round Two of debugging Santanu's biomed
> publishing even though biomed aren't supported on his DPM problem,
> now that his DPM is nice and up-to-date.

Postponed since Santanu didn't join.

1. ... will include this document:
http://www.ogf.org/Public_Comment_Docs/Documents/2012-02/EMI-StAR-OGF-info-doc-v2.pdf
which is currently open for public comments:
http://www.ogf.org/gf/docs/comment.php?id=384

Have OSG provided input into this?

The TEG has provided input to storage accounting.  Needs to be
lightweight, and used by alls.

2. FTS discussion - there have been a number of threads on the list
(er, two) within the past week or so.

http://bourricot.cern.ch/dq2/ftsmon/channel_view/multi/UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP&UKI-LT2-QMUL&UKI-LT2-RHUL&UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF&UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW&UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP&RAL-LCG2/UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP&UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP&UKI-LT2-QMUL&UKI-LT2-RHUL&UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF&UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW&UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP&UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP&RAL-LCG2/2011-01-24/2012-03-12/168/

Sites are getting new internal networking - what do the graphs show,
does it reflect whether the network upgrade has had an impact?

These are from the RAL FTS.  Inter-UK transfers.  Also all sorts of
space tokens - could we move the data from 

changeSpaceForFile/moveFile - currently actually copies.  How much
changeSpaceForFile is implemented.  It may also be a copy, because the
VO wants the file in two different space tokens?  One of the copies
can be deleted.  What is the case behind this?  Sounds a bit like they
are trying to manage something which the SRM is supposed to do - but
doesn't.

Small file problem - comparing 90 MB with files which are 100K.
For the headnode you need the time for it to respond?
Lots of overheads, including possibly async.

Would it be useful for us to have the raw data?

3. Storage/data highlights from ISGC2012

Jens:
* iRODS workshop, installfest.  Australia considering iRODS
(nationally).
* dCache - NFS4 demo, remotely mounting - showing movie using stock
linux kernel.
* Data - Johns Hopkins: "can do 150 TB in 10 days but lots of black
art", "can stream 1.2 GB/s off databases for science (on SSD)"
* ASGC - DPM & CASTOR, 4 PB on tape.
* Delegation for srmCopy revisited again - and will be revisited again
again later... (at OGF34), aim to avoid GSI to make it more standard.
* RNS filesystem in Japan, only 10**5 files - US grid also use RNS for
GFFS (Global Federated FileSystem). Also a Universal Grid Interface -
but how do they do storage "universally"
* GARUDA - Indian grid, apprently they have their own SRM, called
GSRM.  Can follow up.
* EGI federated cloud aiming for CDMI.
* Discussions whether the cloud is right for everything - maybe not
HPC with MPI due to unpredicatable latency - OTOH, are there similar
aspects for storage?

Chris W : Sandy bridge, performance numbers.

4. Items for EGI forum (and who is going?)

Kashif is going.

5. Planning ahead for GridPP in April.

No suggestions?  We'll have to revisit this...

6. AOB


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[10:16:45] Elena Korolkova We do not have such transfers in Sheffield
[10:17:57] Elena Korolkova I suspect tese could be transfers from SCRATCH to LOCALUSER
[10:25:34] Duncan Rand there's a big discrepency in the number of transfers
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